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Thursday, September 28, 2017 Episode Discussion
Topic Started: Sep 27 2017, 07:09 PM (8,939 Views)
Lovejm


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Sep 28 2017, 10:49 PM
They shouldn't have made Paul John's son, he was fine just being an ex of Sonny's. Just one more thing TomSell screwed up.
I hate Paul's backstory. It makes absolutely no sense. They definitely could've left him at Sonny's ex. I completely agree about all of that. Where I think Paul becoming John's son is a benefit is mostly what we're seeing right now. Paul is a gay Asian character. He brings diversity to the family, he is going to be involved in a very big story and it's going to make John and Marlena even more prominent in the story than they would be if it was just Will. Not to mention, he's been a very good son to them. He hasn't caused problems really outside of the 30 seconds of the initial reveal (and if it wasn't this, TomSell would have used something else).

I get wanting these things for Brady and Eric with them too. And so do I. But paul is also playing in a much younger age group and keeps them relevant to a younger crowd. Those other two are like 45 now.
Edited by Lovejm, Sep 29 2017, 08:44 AM.
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lysie
Sep 29 2017, 07:00 AM
thepadange
Sep 29 2017, 06:37 AM
What was this thing with "Java Cafe? Didn't Chad choose Melanie over Abigail at the beginning?
That's where they met. The Melanie stuff was later.
Apparently he didn't think of Abigail as the love of his life back then lol 😉.
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This episode is a great example of what the show should be, a multi-generational soap opera with focus on families, young love stories and "not so young" love stories. The Jarlena/Paul scenes were perfect, I loved the stuff with the Kiriakis men and the Deveraux family as well. The DiMera stuff was the weakest part, I don't like what this family has become but the scenes weren't bad. The escape scenes were nice, it added some suspense to a quiet (but beautiful) episode.
Edited by Hugo, Sep 29 2017, 01:36 PM.
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thepadange
Sep 29 2017, 06:31 AM
funone
Sep 29 2017, 02:41 AM
John Aniston is getting old :( it makes me sad to watch.
Ageing is a natural process. I find it admirable when people in their 80s are well enough to work. I feel envious (in a good sense), not sad :).
I agree it is just hard to see because I remember how he used to be and now he seesms so frail.
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Rosebud
Sep 28 2017, 12:34 PM
You'd think Jennifer and Abby would be saying deja view all the time to each other. They act like this is Abby's first wedding. Sorry, but I still kind of remember the first one, can't fool me.

I like BF, I do. But I'm at the point with his stuttering or whatever the problem is, where I instantly want to FF his scenes. It's awful.

The wedding prep stuff is so cheesy, I am just hoping when it all blows up it'll be interesting.
Yeah, it's cheesy, but I LOVE it. I've been complaining about the lack of real familial interactions for years, and a wedding is the perfect time. And cheese is so nice after the years of darkness and blah and nothing happening, and everyone in bubbles that made no sense. Getting ready is such a big part of pre-wedding (at least I think it is), soaps very rarely show it, and for Paul to learn from the masters of romance how to write his vows (finally a kid who likes them so much he can't stop smiling)? Love itttt.

Also, that wedding is gonna change the story trajectory for most of the people involved, so it's nice to have a lot of fluff beforehand. Time for Ben to make it go BOOM.
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Lovejm
Sep 29 2017, 07:13 AM
I hate Paul's backstory. It makes absolutely no sense. They definitely could've left him at Sonny's ex. I completely agree about all of that. Where I think Paul becoming John's son is a benefit is mostly what we're seeing right now. Paul is a gay Asian character. He brings diversity to the family, he is going to be involved in a very big story and it's going to make John and Marlena even more prominent in the story than they would be if it was just Will. Not to mention, he's been a very good son to them. He hasn't caused problems really outside of the 30 seconds of the initial reveal (and if it wasn't this, TomSell would have used something else).

I get wanting these things for Brady and Eric with them too. And so do I. But paul is also playing in a much younger age group and keeps them relevant to a younger crowd. Those other two are like 45 now.
Same. I still HATE the way it happened, but Paul as a son has been such a gift to J&M. The whole thing is dumb AF, but I love him with them. It'd be so easy to undo too, they never showed a paternity test and Tori was clearly not having problems with lying, so. Kristen had a mirror that made John think he didn't sleep with her, why wouldn't Stefano have one that made John think he did? Easy peasy. But it's fine as long as that bio mother of his is no where around.
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lysie
Sep 29 2017, 06:59 AM
truluvpassions07
Sep 29 2017, 12:22 AM
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Sep 28 2017, 10:59 PM

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Sure it is. Sonny actually told Paul many times that he was committed to making his marriage work. That's the crux of the problem. None of that registered to Paul. Thus the reason for a good chunk of the vitriol towards Paul. He STILL kept finding ways to hang around them. Sonny told him no. Will told him I don't know how many times to butt the hell out of their lives. Honestly, as much as it was Will's fault (and to a lesser degree, Sonny's) for all of their mistakes, it's understandable to a large degree why Will continued to act the way that he did. I mean, think about it. If your husband's ex-lover continuously hung around you 24/7 and never gave you anything that resembled space to focus on your marriage and your relationship, I think you'd be pretty upset too. Heck, I know I would be. I would probably lash out and do some not so admirable things either.

IMO, it's also troublesome to me how little guilt or remorse Paul has felt or shown about the whole thing, other than a couple of passing conversations here and there (that really come off as more of an afterthought). I mean, I get that by making him John's son, he is suddenly absolved of anything resembling character flaws, but at least some minimal genuine guilt here and there would be appreciated and would go a long way.
I'd like to introduce you to Brady.
Brady's completely different. They don't write him as some pillar of nobility.
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Sep 29 2017, 07:57 PM
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Sep 29 2017, 06:59 AM
truluvpassions07
Sep 29 2017, 12:22 AM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deepI get that by making him John's son, he is suddenly absolved of anything resembling character flaws, but at least some minimal genuine guilt here and there would be appreciated and would go a long way.
I'd like to introduce you to Brady.
Brady's completely different. They don't write him as some pillar of nobility.
I think they used to think they did (until a couple of months ago). Theresa used to talk about his beautiful soul.
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Sep 29 2017, 08:21 PM
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Sep 29 2017, 07:57 PM
lysie
Sep 29 2017, 06:59 AM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deepI get that by making him John's son, he is suddenly absolved of anything resembling character flaws,
Brady's completely different. They don't write him as some pillar of nobility.
I think they used to think they did (until a couple of months ago). Theresa used to talk about his beautiful soul.
That's why even though he's still such an ass, I actually am enjoying him more now. Because he's so clearly being written as being sort out of control and very much in the wrong. Wheras before he was the good guy, the righteous Brady Kiriakis.
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Sep 29 2017, 08:36 PM
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Sep 29 2017, 08:21 PM
truluvpassions07
Sep 29 2017, 07:57 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deepI get that by making him John's son, he is suddenly absolved of anything resembling character flaws,
I think they used to think they did (until a couple of months ago). Theresa used to talk about his beautiful soul.
That's why even though he's still such an ass, I actually am enjoying him more now. Because he's so clearly being written as being sort out of control and very much in the wrong. Wheras before he was the good guy, the righteous Brady Kiriakis.
I think that, even though they may have tried to sway him that way, he has always been flawed by nature, even from the beginning. Considering he's been an addict and waffled back and forth between how many women, he has always been aware of his shortcomings (even now when he is acting the most crazy).

The idea of Theresa calling anyone a "beautiful soul" makes me want to :puke: because she is anything but. But then again, Brady was always too good for her.
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Sep 29 2017, 10:45 PM
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Sep 29 2017, 08:36 PM
lysie
Sep 29 2017, 08:21 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deepI get that by making him John's son, he is suddenly absolved of anything resembling character flaws,
That's why even though he's still such an ass, I actually am enjoying him more now. Because he's so clearly being written as being sort out of control and very much in the wrong. Wheras before he was the good guy, the righteous Brady Kiriakis.
I think that, even though they may have tried to sway him that way, he has always been flawed by nature, even from the beginning. Considering he's been an addict and waffled back and forth between how many women, he has always been aware of his shortcomings (even now when he is acting the most crazy).

The idea of Theresa calling anyone a "beautiful soul" makes me want to :puke: because she is anything but. But then again, Brady was always too good for her.
I hate Theresa, but Brady was awful when they were together lol. I thought they were equally bad for each other.
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lysie
Sep 29 2017, 11:12 PM
truluvpassions07
Sep 29 2017, 10:45 PM
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Sep 29 2017, 08:36 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deepI get that by making him John's son, he is suddenly absolved of anything resembling character flaws,
I think that, even though they may have tried to sway him that way, he has always been flawed by nature, even from the beginning. Considering he's been an addict and waffled back and forth between how many women, he has always been aware of his shortcomings (even now when he is acting the most crazy).

The idea of Theresa calling anyone a "beautiful soul" makes me want to :puke: because she is anything but. But then again, Brady was always too good for her.
I hate Theresa, but Brady was awful when they were together lol. I thought they were equally bad for each other.
They were just bad all across the board. There's some rumblings that she is coming back which just makes me want to throw things. I just want Brady to be rid of her. There are plenty of women far better suited for him than that little guttersnipe.
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Sep 29 2017, 12:51 AM
Honestly, I know Paul always had excuses to be around Sonny and whatnot, but I also seem to remember Sonny went TO Paul at least a couple of times. So it wasn't just Paul doing it. Sonny was kinda giving him mixed signals.
I agree with this, too.
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thepadange
Sep 29 2017, 08:17 AM
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Sep 29 2017, 07:00 AM
thepadange
Sep 29 2017, 06:37 AM
What was this thing with "Java Cafe? Didn't Chad choose Melanie over Abigail at the beginning?
That's where they met. The Melanie stuff was later.
Apparently he didn't think of Abigail as the love of his life back then lol 😉.
Dimera gene = they need to be pregnant with child first.
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